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Early diagnosis of late stage cancer

Early diagnosis of late stage cancer


What a strange title for a cancer blog post!  However, what a strange cancer I have.  Let me explain – I was really confused in 2010 as to how I could suddenly become a stage 4 Neuroendocrine Cancer patient even though I didn’t feel ill enough to see a doctor.  To cut a long story short, you can read about me here.

“The cancer has been growing for years”

One of the common stories I hear from other patients is they were told their cancer had been growing for some years, up to 10/11/12 in most cases, one person mentioned 20 and even counts that as how long since this person has been  living with the cancer (I don’t necessarily agree with that method as it is a very non-scientific approach and cannot be proven!).  Crystal balls are not a scientific instrument either! Some might say the same about cancer prognostics!

Clearly doctors are ‘guesstimating’ so these comments must be considered anecdotal rather than scientific fact – there’s simply no surveillance records to prove it in individual cases. However, doctors know stuff based on epidemiology over a period of time, i.e. they understand the behaviour of most NETs.

I wrote an article very early on in my blogging entitled “Early signs of a Late Diagnosis” and received many plaudits for the very apt title.  The article was focused on the various NET hormonal syndromes which can make this cancer noisy and lead to diagnosis (albeit late) and this is really an addendum to that post. Worth nothing that Neuroendocrine Tumours are not all about carcinoid syndrome – read the bigger picture by clicking here!

Earlier diagnosis of any cancer is great and with NETs, even an earlier diagnosis at a later stage (including stage 4) might give the person a better chance of getting treatment and turning it into a chronic disease. Grade remains a differentiator though..

Clues in flushing?

Another interesting find is included in my article on flushing.  Did you know there are 4 types of flush according to mega NET expert Dr. Kjell Öberg, Professor of Endocrine Oncology at the Medical Faculty of Uppsala University, Sweden.  You can read the full article here but I found it interesting that one of the four flush type descriptions “The first type is the diffuse, erythematous flush, usually affecting the face, neck, and upper chest (i.e., normal flushing area). This flush is commonly of short duration, lasting from 1 to 5 minutes, and is related to early stages of malignant midgut NETs“.  I would personally put my flush in that category and when I look back, I only remember the flushing for around 7-8 months prior to diagnosis.   I haven’t had a flushing experience since cleaning my teeth in hospital after major surgery Nov 2010.

Heterogeneity

One thing that worries me is the automatic assumption in the community chat groups that everyone gets everything the same when in actual fact, there is considerable heterogeneity in Neuroendocrine Neoplasms.  Click here or on the graphic below:

Neuroendocrine Neoplasms

Check out my spotlight series – if you do not see your type listed, let me know.  Click here or on the graphic below:

Summary

Clearly, I’d rather not be diagnosed with cancer, I’d love no-one to be diagnosed with cancer.  But that is something we won’t achieve for some time in my opinion.  Some cancers are quiet, some are difficult to diagnose even when noisy but the earlier the better, even at stage 4.  My strage 4 cancer is incurable but treatable.

We need better ways to detect cancer earlier, we need more screening programmes but before that we need better screening tools and science needs to find highly sensitive (accurate) ways of testing – there is some hope in current molecular studies going on and I’m hoping to write about that soon in the case of Neuroendocrine Neoplasms.

I’m also thankful for the treatments we have now and for the teams of NET professionals who keep us under surveillance via their guidelines and best practice methods.

P.S. Ignore the ‘rare’ hype

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4 thoughts on “Early diagnosis of late stage cancer

  • G N Holland

    Hi Ronny,
    Several years ago my wife found out about you and we have been following you ever since. I’m from New Zealand and I don’t think we are as advanced in care for NET patients as you are in the UK. I want to comment on the timeline because we do have accurate records and investigative evidence. Late in 2003 I collapsed in agony at home and was taken by ambulance to the nearest major hospital some 70 km away. I had a burst gall bladder and had a cholecystectomy. The pain after the procedure was so much that I couldn’t breath properly so I was given an epidural. We found out subsequently that the infection in my body entered my spine through the epidural. I was in great pain throughout most of 2004 and the infected spine was not diagnosed until the middle of that year. The MRI scan that showed the infected spine also showed a golf ball size growth in my mesenteric wall. At the time, the procedures they had made it very difficult to investigate so they just checked on it every year by an ultra sound scan. In 2017 my health had worsened and I was getting flushing so my GP contacted the hospital and said they needed to investigate the lump. An interventional radiologist was able to access the growth and gather samples. The results came back and I learnt that I had NET. I was sent to Auckland for a PET scan and that showed mutiple tumors in my gut and liver. I was the first case that they operated on in the hospital. The surgeon was a hugely talented young woman and she was assisted by a vascular surgeon. There were 5 other surgeons watching on because it was something new to them. The liver tumors were removed sixth months later by a liver specialist. I have had several more surgical experiences, more work on the liver and then the regular screening I was having showed I had standard boring bowel cancer in 2020.
    This has got long winded but the key point is that the cancer was there and fairly well established in 2004, 13 years before diagnosis.
    Geoff Holland

    • thanks for comment Geoff. Mesenteric deposits particularly in the root of the mesentery, are indeed a sign of a small intestine NET (often a lymph node with a desmoplastic reaction. I wish you well going forward.

  • eileen simpkins

    Thank you Ronny!

    My daughter has NETs – major surgery was in 2013 – 75% of her liver, 14 inches intestine- etc
    She has been stage 4 since 2015, with all its attending issues
    I am so grateful for your posts and wish you calm and courage on your NETS journey

    eileen simpkins
    Toronto
    mogur@sympatico.ca

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